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Presenter: Evgeniya Albats Guests: Dmitry Milovidov, Marat Abdrakhimov, and Konstantin Sirotkin E. ALBATS: Good evening. It is 7:06 and 35 seconds in the evening. This is radio station ‘Echo of Moscow’ broadcasting on a frequency of 91.2 FM. Here at the microphone is Evgeniya Albats. I will start our traditional Sunday program dedicated to the key events of the week, events that could have lasting effect and influence policies over the next weeks and months. Today we will talk about an event, a tragedy that affected Russian politics in a most radical fashion. It is Both of them, thank God, survived. From these transcripts it can be seen how they begged: “do anything, just do not attack.” At the same time the authorities, including Mayor Luzhkov, were arguing that they were unable to establish negotiations with the people inside the theater. On October 26th, at 5:30 am, gas was released (into the theater), a secret military gas. As a result, the terrorists were eliminated, but the gas killed 125 hostages. 67 people died during the course of the assault and 58 others on buses and in hospitals. That is how this tragedy was solved. Then came the ‘Full Monty’: (to the authorities,) of course, the main culprits were the journalists, and so the media screws were tightened and the struggle against extremism began on television and in the newspapers and magazines. Today we will be discussing the tragedy with those who survived. In our studio is Marat Chulpanovich Abdrakhimov, an actor from the musical M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Good evening. E. ALBATS: And actor Konstantin Sirotkin, also an actor from the musical K. SIROTKIN: Hello. E. ALBATS: Thank you for coming. Also in our studio is Dmitry Eduardovich Milovidov, the father of two hostages. As I understand it, Dmitry, one of your little girls survived, but the other, unfortunately, did not. Is this correct? D. MILOVIDOV: Yes. One was released before the assault, but the second girl seemed too grown up to the militants, so she was left in the hall, and so and my little girl was tossed into a bus, without medical assistance, a bus going nowhere, in which they dumped corpses, hidden from the eyes of the media and the public. E. ALBATS: How old was she? D. MILOVIDOV: Ninochka was 14. E. ALBATS: Accept once again my deepest condolences, and sympathy to all the survivors of this tragedy, those who lost loved ones there and for whom for 5 years, and for 10 years, 15, 20, this will always remain an open wound. There are many, by the way, those who wrote on the program’s Internet site. For example, Maxim Anokhin from Smolensk, a graduate student, he wrote: “What you went through 5 years ago is our common grief. Allow me to salute your courage.” I think that many of our listeners share these words. I remind our listeners that you can send your text messages to M. ABDRAKHIMOV: At the very beginning, it was the pilots, the tap dance number, and very funny. Before the second act… During intermission we are backstage when the overture starts, and we are in this condition that is, frankly speaking, a bit depressed. We often talked about this. We were very reluctant to go on stage. It is very hard to explain, we just did not want to go on stage. E. ALBATS: Was this just before it all? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Right before it all, so here is the overture. The curtain opens and we begin doing what we did every evening. E. ALBATS: You were in that scene, right? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Yes, we were all in this scene. E. ALBATS: You, Konstantin, you were in this scene? K. SIROTKIN: Yes, among others. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: There were 10, those who were trapped. By good fortune practically none of the girls were in this scene. The girls were backstage and managed to escape. They took off running, and it turns out that in the dressing rooms, where they were, they were behind these steel doors, so they quickly shut them all. There was another exit they could run to, but the terrorists found out about it. The girls got there and waited, and then, towards evening, they knotted some costumes into a rope, climbed through the window, and let themselves down. We were on stage, however, and down the aisle came a man in camouflage. I am quite calm, because prior to this it often happened in other theaters that some people in uniform would come in, stop the show, and say that they had information that there was a bomb or something. We would go quietly out into the street, wait a half hour, and then people with dogs would come said say that everything was okay and we could continue. I can remember that happening about five times. So I am absolutely calm. I am thinking: well, here it goes again. But it was something else entirely. The man climbs onto the stage and starts shouting: “Stop the music.” E. ALBATS: In Russian? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Yes. And, of course, it is very difficult to stop something like this. There is a large orchestra is playing, a lot of people, and suddenly a burst of automatic weapons fire into the air. At that point we certainly stop abruptly. We do not understand what is going on. Everyone in the hall is speaking, and I leave my canister on the stage. E. ALBATS: What kind of canister? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: It was my prop. We were flight mechanics and engineers. E. ALBATS: You were pilots, right? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Yes, pilots. Flight mechanics. You know, a certain type of engineer. E. ALBATS: And you, Konstantin, what were you? K. SIROTKIN: I was also a mechanic. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Kostya and I were next to each other. Standing. K. SIROTKIN: We were in one group. We were three mechanics, and the rest… E. ALBATS: You were dancing and singing? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: We were dancing and singing, like they always do in musicals. I left this canister, and it ended up in different places. Later the Chechens took it, then someone else, but it was my canister. And that was it, we were herded into the auditorium, of course, and immediately it filled up… In every aisle these female suicide bombers showed up, dressed in black, with their faces covered and holding assault rifles, pistols, and large and small grenades. They tell us to sit down, and I remember the audience’s first question: “Is the play supposed to be like this?” E. ALBATS: That is what audience asked? They thought that this was in the script? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Yes, yes. Well, who could think at all? I tell them: “No, I think that everything is very serious. Everything.” E. ALBATS: How many hours did this go on for you? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Do you mean, how long were we there? All 57 hours. The one who got up on stage, he begins with political information on what is going on in Chechnya and so forth, and the demands that they have for our government. Right here the people in the audience start to speak: what do we have to do with it? If you have any problems with the government, you should go see the government, go take it hostage. And, of course, right away the problems started: what to do with children? It was good that we had a certain number of children, foreign children, small children, right here next to me where I was sitting was one. We said right away: “You cannot be older than 7.” So we managed… Right away we called his father, and he drove to the theater and got the child and so forth. So it was that the children who were sitting next to me, we got them out of there quickly. Well, there were long hours of waiting and so forth, and negotiations. E. ALBATS: We will return to that. Konstantin, you also went into the hall, right? Were you seated next to Marat? K. SIROTKIN: No, it turned out that… I sat in the front row. E. ALBATS: Right next to the orchestra pit? K. SIROTKIN: By the orchestra pit. And right there on a seat they put a shrapnel bomb, like they had on their belts, it was pointed right at me. Marat was sitting on two or three rows back. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: All the other guys, who were playing pilots, they were sitting in a completely different sector, and, as it turned out, unfortunately for them. The mechanics went in one direction, while the pilots in another. I was cussing at myself, and I thought: “Well, why the hell am I sitting in the front row? I should be as far away as possible from this bomb.” Although, frankly, as soon as they were afraid of anything, right next to me there was always some woman with a suicide belt standing there, always next to me. Our fatigue uniforms infuriated them, especially because we had these caps with stars on them. We had on stylized prewar Soviet uniforms, and the stars, apparently, annoyed them a lot. E. ALBATS: Thank you. Now I have a question for Dmitry Milovidov. Where were your girls sitting? D. MILOVIDOV: At first my girls sat in the 10th row. E. ALBATS: How many rows were there in the theater? D. MILOVIDOV: If I am not mistaken on the main gallery, the stalls, there are 22, while in the dress circle there are 6 rows, and about 12 rows in the amphitheater. E. ALBATS: They were sitting in the 10th row in the main gallery? D. MILOVIDOV: In the 10th row. Later there was a big bomb set up here. Later, when terrorists invited the young children to come up on stage, the eldest, Nina, took her sister by the hand and up onto the stage. E. ALBATS: And how old was her little sister? D. MILOVIDOV: She was 12. There are frames taken from video that was running the whole time in the auditorium. There you can see how my two girls go up onto the stage. One gets to leave, and stay alive, while the older one is sent back in the hall. She seemed very mature. I managed to find a woman who was sitting right next to my daughter. She had horrific after effects. This was a journalist from Kaliningrad, and she lost her memory, and had paralysis of the extremities. She does not remember what happened in there, not even if she was sitting next to her slain husband or anything that happened. On the last anniversary (of E. ALBATS: Did she get any? D. MILOVIDOV: Yes, everything was brought in. Thanks, in particular, to Anna Politkovskaya, may she rest in peace. One can also remember Dr. Roshal here with some kind words, at least in this case. And it was this woman who got this done, but she does not remember that she was sitting next to my daughter. Here are some of the after effects of that gas. E. ALBATS: Your younger daughter was taken out through a different exit, the one that Marat talked about? D. MILOVIDOV: If I am not mistaken, it was the exit on the left, as you look at the stage. They led out the foreign children, and in that group there were even children that were as old as 17. E. ALBATS: This was on the first night, or the next day? D. MILOVIDOV: This was the first hour after the capture. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: There in the confusion a lot of children managed to get released. D. MILOVIDOV: At the time there was this bizarre and incomprehensible information, that about a hundred hostages were released, and on the list of hostages were the names Yura Mazikhin and Pyotr Markin. E. ALBATS: Who are they? K. SIROTKIN: Those are actors who got out on their own, by going through the third floor. That is, they did not go out on stage. E. ALBATS: So they tied costumes into a rope and climbed down, right? K. SIROTKIN: In every dressing room there was a loud speaker that played what was happening on stage, because the dressing rooms are rather far from the stage. So, in order to hear and not be late making your entrance, we always had the speaker on. When they heard gunshots, the guys figured out what was going on. D. MILOVIDOV: But the fact remains, at the beginning of the capture some of the children were released. E. ALBATS: Did Nina have a mobile phone? D. MILOVIDOV: Unfortunately, that evening she did not have her cell phone with her, and we did not know anything right up until October 28th, when we finally found her in the morgue, only on the 28th. In his first statement, E. ALBATS: Do you mean on October 26th? D. MILOVIDOV: I mean the 26th, after the assault. 111 children ended up stuck there during the assault. This is according to materials from the prosecutor’s office. What Roshal counted there, sorry, I cannot answer this. According to materials from the prosecutor’s office there were E. ALBATS: How many survived? D. MILOVIDOV: Ten children died. Some of the children were released. Some during the first hours, and some… Three came out with Kobzon, and another eight were released together with Lyubov Kornilova, and some got away with the actors. The statistics are still not clear, of course. E. ALBATS: I see. Thank you. Konstantin Sirotkin, tell me, do you remember the assault? K. SIROTKIN: Part of it, basically. E. ALBATS: The part of it before the gas was released? K. SIROTKIN: Before I lost consciousness, right up until that moment. E. ALBATS: You were still sitting in the front row? K. SIROTKIN: We were not allowed to move about the hall very much. In extreme cases, if we had to go into the orchestra pit, pardon me. E. ALBATS: That was the toilet. K. SIROTKIN: Yes, the toilet. And only back from there to your seat, in principle. They watched us very closely. During the first moments (of the assault) there was a Chechen woman standing right in front of the stage. She shot at me. You probably did not know about that, or did you? D. MILOVIDOV: I did not hear about this. K. SIROTKIN: Well, apparently I was taking too long to get seated. I heard a bullet whistle past my temple. Now it sounds funny, but back then, it was like: “Oh, I must quickly get seated.” I remember that the light was gradually fading and some white cloud was dropping down from above. On the advice of my neighbor next to me, Olya, she says: “Cover your mouth and nose quickly, everything, do not breathe.” So I cover up a little, but apparently not enough. E. ALBATS: Where did you wake up? K. SIROTKIN: When I was already in the 13th hospital, in a ward with all the others who were injured there. E. ALBATS: So, were there a lot of you at the 13th? K. SIROTKIN: Many. Basically, right away they vacated one or two floors. That is, all the nearby hospitals were ready to receive hostages, but apparently many were not taken to the hospital quickly enough. Part of them, I found out later, died. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: First of all, they did not know how to treat us. K. SIROTKIN: Yes, it was not clear. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: They did not know what to do. They expected gunshot wounds, lacerations, and injuries like that. They needed artificial respiration, they needed an antidote, but no one had anything, it was secret. I left the auditorium on my own two feet. E. ALBATS: You left on your own two feet? K. SIROTKIN: Yes, Marat was the only one walked out of there. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Yes, but I never saw anyone getting any antidote at all. Cyanotic people were lying on the cold concrete floor, and of course it was the month of October. There was rain and sleet and all the windows were smashed. People are in what they wore to the theater, without an outer garment, which they left at the coat check. They are lying there out in the fresh air, as they say, with a bluish color. I am in shock. I say: “What happened? Did they all die?” The man who is leading me out of there, he says: “Yes!” So I walk through the small passage, there is a narrow lane, which is just filled with people lying there, and the hair on my head is standing up on end. I am in shock. Well, it is good that they managed to do CPR on most of them, but it was actually an awful scene. E. ALBATS: Were there a lot of people like you, who could walk? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Not really, not many. It just turned out that I had not slept this whole time, I cannot sleep sitting up. It just does not work, and yet, obviously I was in a state of shock. I felt neither hunger nor thirst, nothing. I could feel that my tongue was stuck to the roof of my mouth, so I think: “Not enough water. I need to take a sip of water.” Naturally, I did not sleep or anything. Just before the assault, at 3 am, when everyone was waiting for Kazantsev, the Chechens started to relax. This was obvious, since finally were smiling and talking, and they left their weapons leaning against the wall. E. ALBATS: You mean General Kazantsev? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Yes. Before that they did not allow us to go under the seats, under the chairs, but now they did not care, so I got down on the floor under the seats and made my bed there on a newspaper, and shut down for three hours. At this point, the gas attack took place. The gas missed me. I was lying face down and apparently this saved me. I do not breath heavily. I wake up and I realize that the assault has begun, so I go and sit in a chair, leaning my head down against the seat in front of me. Apparently I almost passed out. Then someone is shaking me and asking: “Can you walk?” I say: “Yes, I can.” They say: “Get out of here.” I look around me, and there is almost no one, just my neighbor, this guy Andrei Voronevsky, who, unfortunately, as it turned out, died, and next to him is his stepfather. He also died, but his mother survived, we talked with her later. I get up, and I am thinking: “What time is it?” I shake Andrei and ask him: “Andrei, what time is it?” He does not answer. So I think: “Why am I bothering the fellow? We have not slept in three days. Let him sleep.” And I did not wake him up. Perhaps I should have. Then, after they had already led me out of there, when I was sitting on the bus, I am still thinking: “If everything goes okay, Marat, you do not look like a Russian, what will happen?” I am thinking: “What can I say? That I am wearing a costume, and on the neckband is my name and that I am an actor and that I am wearing military boots with tap dance heels. Somehow I have to explain that I am an actor.” But of course, no one asks me anything. They just lead me out of there and drive me somewhere. I ask: “Where are we going?” They say: “To sort things out.” I am put up against a wall, and they say: “Face against the wall, put your hands up, feet apart, do not move.” I say: “You know what? I can’t even raise my arms.” I did not know that there was gas yet, and I cannot understand why I am dizzy, why I am sick. I cannot understand what happened. A light operator walks up and he says: “That’s one of ours. He’s an actor.” They say: “We will get to the bottom of it.” The producer, the man responsible for the costumes, he says: “That’s one of ours.” It does not matter. Nobody listens. Then I start to puke, sorry. I had to vomit. I had nausea and a very bad headache. All of us did. One suspect was just a boy, and very hairy. He was also taken for a Chechen. The guy was from Riga, but I forget his name. K. SIROTKIN: Zaltserman. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Yes, but he had some East in him, and he was all overgrown with hair, of course, and right away he is suspicious. We are taken to a nearby school, where there is a field office of the prosecutors, apparently. They bring me in and begin to interrogate me in earnest: “Where do you live? Where are you registered?” I could not remember my own phone number. They ask me: “Have you any friends?” I say: “I do.” They say: “Their address?” I say: “I could be mistaken, please give me some water, my tongue is sticky, everything is dried out.” They say: “Tell us and we will give you some.” I had the feeling that I was in some kind of Nazi prison camp. My God! In the end, I gave them my correct phone number, but they do not call it. They call up the police in my precinct, and ask if there is such a house in his area. Then they say: “There is no such house. You are lying. You are lying about everything. There is no such address.” Somehow this comrade, the precinct officer, immediately he calls up my friend and says: “You know what? He has already been shot as a terrorist.” Where did this information come from? My friend there just went crazy, you can just imagine. It is good that he had enough presence of mind not to tell my parents any of this. They were in Ufa, worried sick about me. E. ALBATS: Marat, I’m sorry to interrupt you, but now it is time for the news on ‘Echo’. We will be back on the air in two minutes. — NEWS - E. ALBATS: Once again, good evening, it is 7:35 pm on radio station ‘Echo of Moscow’, and we are broadcasting on a frequency of 91.2 FM. Here at the microphone is Evgeniya Albats, and we are here with actors Marat Abdrakhimov and Konstantin Sirotkin. We also have Dmitry Milovidov, the father of two hostages. Nina, his little girl, was slain. We are remembering what happened 5 years ago. Tomorrow it will be 5 years, when, on October 23rd, 2002, terrorists seized the theater on Dubrovka where the musical D. MILOVIDOV: A good question. They did not even open a criminal investigation into the peoples’ deaths. As we found out over the course of a long stretch of work at the prosecutor’s office, while trying to get documents from them, they opened a kidnapping case, but the killings were not investigated. I would like to argue with your previous statement, that it is all the fault of the Ministry of Health, and the Moscow health department. E. ALBATS: No, I did not say that. I said that doctors did not get their hands on any antidote, but a simple thing that they teach during Civil Defense lessons, deploying a field hospital right where the tragedy has happened in order to quickly provide assistance to affected people, even something this elementary was not done. D. MILOVIDOV: Naturally. But they did not decide everything. In an article by Andrei Soldatov, titled: ‘He whose name cannot be said’, he describes the situation very accurately. No doctor decides when there are enough stretchers. No commando decides when he should grab his rifle and shoot it. The headquarters decides everything. According to the law on combating terrorism, there is an appointed leader of the headquarters who decides at the end of the counter-terrorist operation that doctors can begin their duties. In this case Seltsovsky, the head of the Moscow health department, reportedly he learned about the use of gas just three minutes before they started carrying out the first hostages. Mr. Shevchenko, E. ALBATS: Where did you file your lawsuits, and what are they? D. MILOVIDOV: We served them as private persons, because trying to bring such a claim on behalf of the E. ALBATS: So, they will hear this case in Strasbourg? D. MILOVIDOV: In Strasbourg they will examine the second application of the E. ALBATS: But do you know what this gas was? It is secret. I understand that almost everything about the D. MILOVIDOV: I have on hand a letter from the Federal Security Service. It notes that the compound that was used is based on derivatives of fentanyl. In an interview, Mr. Shevchenko made some doubletalk, that the drug is supposedly used in medicine, that they use fentanyl. There were no substances or derivatives of fentanyl in the 2002, 2003, or 2004 registers of pharmacological compounds. Suddenly, in 2005, among the familiar pages there was a new one: remifentanyl, with enormous constraints on its use and a warning about a lack of research, and with such restrictions as: “not to be used on patients weighing less than 50 kg. Not to be used on women of childbearing age…” E. ALBATS: So, in advance of children? D. MILOVIDOV: “Not to be used on dehydrated patients.” K. SIROTKIN: That is what we all were. D. MILOVIDOV: Ten children paid for that phrase with their lives. E. ALBATS: And there were really no antidotes? D. MILOVIDOV: Not invented. What the doctors were forced to use as an antidote was a respiratory analeptic called naloxone. It is a narcotic substance that is similar in structure to morphine. Due to the greater reactivity of the molecule, it knocks fentanyl and its derivatives from the body’s receptors, but they do not decompose. They remain in the body, and if the doctor does not closely monitor the victim for some time after the naloxone wears off, if it was used, there is a second blow from the immobilizing compound that causes paralysis of the respiratory center. The headquarters leadership, perhaps out of stupidity or something else, did not realize that two minutes without breathing is equivalent to a shot in the head. That is why people died. According to materials from the prosecutor’s office, 112 hostages died on the scene before receiving medical assistance, before the doctors got there. E. ALBATS: So, (they needed help) right away, after they released the gas? D. MILOVIDOV: Right. We believe that this whole mess with this number of… E. ALBATS: The 58 who died on the buses, what is this? D. MILOVIDOV: This is a mess with numbers. The FSB tried to toss the blame for the corpses onto the doctors. It should be noted that, even after the ruling on a lack of criminal activity in the actions of the rescuers, the actions of the doctors, the prosecutors continued to question the doctors, trying to get testimony that they provided assistance to these hostages (on the buses). The figure that we came up with as a result of studying the medical reports was 72. 72 people did not receive any medical care whatsoever. Think about it, out of the 125 hostages. E. ALBATS: Dead. D. MILOVIDOV: Dead. 72 did not receive any medical assistance. We excluded from this list those who had at least some signs of assistance, some traces of injections, we did not focus on whether they received these shots while still alive or not. E. ALBATS: Did they somehow help your Nina? Did they try? D. MILOVIDOV: A phrase from the autopsy report: “At 1310 forensics specialists arrived at route bus #12, license number R-980-TO. It is clearly seen in photographs taken by reporters on the square. Removed bus corpse 11.” There they were numbered ‘bus corpse 1’, ‘bus corpse 2’, and so on. ‘Bus corpse 10’ was Marina Starkova’s husband, who was wounded in the abdomen. 35 corpses. All of them were hidden from cameras, from the media, and only when the area was clear did they start to load them. On the federal TV channel there was commentary that they were unloading the terrorists’ corpses. The body temperatures of the corpses on the bus were suspiciously high. Using temperature data that is E. ALBATS: Thank you, Dmitry. Sorry that I was asking you about such things, but in front of me I have a monitor and text messages are coming in. They write various things there. Sometimes I think that people have had compassion completely knocked out of them. There is something else, however. To you, Marat, Marina from St. Petersburg writes: “I sit here and scream. Marat, forgive all of us who weren’t there.” So how did your story end? How long did they hold you until it turned out that your weren’t of that nationality? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Right now I will tell you. I left at 6 o’clock in the morning. E. ALBATS: And they took you to the hospital? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: No, what do you think? There was no hospital at all. None. I was just taken to the school where the prosecutor’s office had set up. E. ALBATS: The FSB guys were located there, not the prosecutors. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: We were told that it was the prosecutor’s office, and later, Mr. Chaika… When my friend came and just started demanding his rights, he says: “Why do you give out such misinformation? People are all on edge, and here they say he has been shot.” Mr. Chaika apologized. I saw that, and he apologized, though already it was a bit late to apologize, after the sparrow had already flown. But okay, in response to Marina from St. Petersburg who is crying. There is no need to cry. Apparently I needed a lesson in life, a hard one. E. ALBATS: Why is that? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: I needed one. Later, you know, I thought about it all for a very long time. One cannot live in fear. One cannot live with the notion of, “why did it happen? Why did children die?” I asked myself this for a long time, for all 5 years. I went my own way, a hard way, and I learned a lot about life. You know, probably I am really not afraid of anyone, and I do not count on anyone. I count on myself and I have no fear. You know, when there is no fear inside a man, he is free. E. ALBATS: Thank you. Konstantin, did you file any suits against our country connected with K. SIROTKIN: You know, from the State, and, probably, from the Moscow city government, we all got 50 thousand rubles, plus 25 thousand more from some kind of a bank. D. MILOVIDOV: The Volsky Foundation. E. ALBATS: The late Volsky. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: For medical treatment. K. SIROTKIN: In the hospital each of us was approached by, apparently, an investigator. He asked what the terrorists looked like. He asked all sorts of questions, but I never even thought that all of this was so serious that they would give some sort of compensation, or lawsuits against the State, or some kind of claims. Marat and I survived, thank God. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Thank God. We need nothing else. Stay away from us. K. SIROTKIN: We still see this world, and thank God that we started to breathe, as it turns out that people choked to death because they did not have any first aid. That is it, and there cannot be any talk about any lawsuit. E. ALBATS: Dmitry Milovidov? D. MILOVIDOV: I would like to emphasize that Marat gives an example that discredits the myths about this miracle gas. Not only did Marat not fall asleep, the terrorists did not fall asleep, either. Materials from the investigation indicate that they opened fire for twenty minutes with 13 assault rifles and 8 pistols. The gas was visible, according to the investigation. It had a smell and did not act instantaneously. In fact, it could have provoked the terrorists to a lethal response. Fortunately, this did not happen. It is a highly toxic substance without any antidote, as we have emphasized. It poisoned the commandos. I bow to these men, who did everything they could. They carried out their military orders, to destroy the terrorists, and then, in violation of military regulations that forbid them from approaching the hostages, they returned to the hall and carried our loved ones out of there. Video footage shows that they carried them correctly. The guys are well trained. E. ALBATS: The Special Forces? M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Yes, the Special Forces. D. MILOVIDOV: They were also poisoned at the same time. In the materials it is stated that 9 ambulance crews were involved in the evacuation of poisoned Special Forces commandos. Fortunately, they were taken to poison control centers. Why this was not done with the hostages… E. ALBATS: I must say that it was the ‘Alpha’ and ‘Pennant’ units. D. MILOVIDOV: And not just them, there was ‘Lynx’ and GRU and others. M. ABDRAKHIMOV: Yes, a big thanks to them. K. SIROTKIN: A low bow. Thanks, boys. E. ALBATS: Only two of them received the ‘Hero of Russia’ stars. Five ‘Hero of Russia’ stars were given out for D. MILOVIDOV: And, in addition, four hostages received ‘Orders of Courage’, three of them posthumously, but this feat of civil achievement was not covered by the authorities. E. ALBATS: Why not? D. MILOVIDOV: Our leaders made such a mess of K. SIROTKIN: This is the first that I have heard about it. D. MILOVIDOV: It is better to be silent. Unfortunately, I too must apologize to the families of the slain, for I only learned about this when we started writing the ‘Book of Memory’ about the E. ALBATS: To whom did they give the ‘Order of Courage’? D. MILOVIDOV: To Doctor Oleg Magerlamov, who died at E. ALBATS: So, they knew what was going on there? D. MILOVIDOV: They knew. In addition, the auditorium was packed full of audio control systems and other things, complicated, you understand, the headquarters was close, and the special purpose vehicle was right next to the hall, despite the supposed danger of an explosion. One should discuss the explosion separately: the headquarters was only 35 meters from the auditorium. In the headquarters were foreign ambassadors, whose citizens were held hostage, and E. ALBATS: There are several questions by text message, they ask you: “What do you think? Was it was possible to do without the assault?” D. MILOVIDOV: Let us recall the situation in 1996, the seizure of the Japanese embassy in Peru. Thanks to the professionalism of the security services and the talent of the negotiators, and the existence of a professional negotiator institute, and the will of the Peruvian Government, over the course of a month they managed to get 90% of the hostages released. This made the work of special units very effective during the assault: only one hostage died, of a heart attack. Now this here is an example of an operation. I recall that the Peruvian leadership talked with U.S. experts on E. ALBATS: I see. Thank you very much. That was Dmitry Milovidov, the father of two hostages. His Ninochka did not survive, while his youngest daughter… Is everything okay with your youngest? D. MILOVIDOV: Yes, the girl is growing up. She was admitted to veterinary school. Of course, she needed help from psychologists to get over the crisis of her older sister’s death, and the several days of uncertainty. The funeral was very difficult, and the whole family was literally pulled from another world. Back then we were expecting another child and my wife could not take any medication, so the psychologists were a great help. We were side by side with them in Beslan. E. ALBATS: Unfortunately, our broadcast has come to an end. We were discussing K. SIROTKIN: Do we have a minute? E. ALBATS: Unfortunately, no. We will hear you next week. Once again, let us remember those who died. Goodbye. Views: 5976 |
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